That was the entire point. You can not hide your faith since there are karma/favour checks.luminier wrote: You know most of the most successful evils you never see coming because they are secretive about their motivations as well as their actions.
1. Okluminier wrote: 1. Don't be an idiot. (I wish this all I had to write)
2. Don't make a character and tell everyone at Volog/Beladan you hate their guts and that you love Sathonys and run to Asador.
3. You don't have to be overly overt about your goals to everyone you meet. Asking for favour checks and similar things to be taken out is just LAZY.
4. Stay away from Clerics and Crusaders if you fear they are on to you.
5. Try to stay neutral in the eyes of everyone for as long as possible. A unexperienced evil is a dead evil.
6. Prepare yourself for being literally 'against the world'. Being evil is an uphill fight pretty much the whole way. "r bspear" isn't the win command for the MUD.
7. Keep contact with you "end goal" contact. Sathonys/Order/Thief guild master, express interest, don't pester. If they want you, they'll contact you.
8. Once your "in", stay in groups. don't bite off more than you can't chew and don't piss off the wrong people. FYI Luminier can't kill Adanath alone, so your little newbie can't either. Well maybe I could, but it would require a lot of dancing.
2. Rather narrow advice, but ok.
3. The third "don't". Where is the "do"?
4. This immediately raises suspicion.
5. You can not stay neutral if you worship sathonys and have black karma.
6. This uphill struggle and isolation is the "bad thing" that limits players is what Ferranifer critized.
7. This advice is probably good, but it has nothing to do with avoiding those favour checks.
8. Again, nothing that answers the question on how to avoid the favour check.
You do not have to. If you prefer, the argument can stand unanswered. That will speak for itself. As for intelligence, I think most Geas players have enough of it. What is the need to comment on it?luminier wrote: Sure I can elaborate about 'trying to be secretive' but I don't see why I have to. If you are a person with any intelligence you can guess that being evil is in fact "bad" and frowned upon by the general population.
Again. If you hunt with a group of neutral people (does that group even exist?) and be evil, everyone will notice the day after since their reputation sunk like a stone. This is not being secretive - it is blowing your cover right on the scene. What about that first item in the list? The reputation will then slowly spread as soon as those formerly neutral characters meet up the really good guys.luminier wrote:However, you, being the evil bastard you are, still want to be evil. So hunt with those who are neutral (maybe even those who are good, depending on how much of a nice guy you act to be) and get better as a character and try to learn who you need to "watch out" for so you can contact them and tell them you are theres to command from behind the scenes. MAIL very important. Mail is great.
This is a part of the criticism (easy to detect evil, lack of options as evil) that your note now suggests what? Do you mean that you think it is good or bad? Or are you stating facts? I also think dropping the character seems like generally a bad idea to encourage people to do.luminier wrote:If you want to worship sathonys, thats fine. But remember that it's frowned upon and if you get found out too early - you are fucked. Might as well drop the character unless u want a hell of a time with it and are masochistic. (I had to do this in the past with my first evil)
This "need to train a lot as neutral/goodie and then turn evil" is something you think is good? I think it sucks. Doing it this way, planning and then turning after a long while is borderline to cheating.luminier wrote:What do we do poLuminer? Well children I am here to save you. To be a successful evil you must have skills to back up your big badness otherwise Adanath's gonna put a can of whoop ass on you. So BE SECRETIVE, lets elaborate on this. You can be evil w/o worshipping Sathonys or having a horrible black karma. Stay neutral, godless for as long as you need before you think you are ready. Going evil as soon as the character is made is bad IMO for two reasons.)
1. You are going to get punched in the face. Repeatedly. Until you decide "well this sucks ill get good karma now".
2. You will likely encounter situations in which you can flesh out your character alot better AFTER you've actually made it and had interactions with other characters. Then at least people sort of know why your evil, and you have a cool backstory.
I think the context here was to be secretive as Satho, so..luminier wrote: And news flash you can be evil without worshipping Sathonys or even fighting goodies all the time! Whoa! New! Exciting! But I figure people just want the cool green skin/bone armour/death miracles - hell I did.
It is extremely well known that Naga had some bad affairs. You could probably ask any Crusader IC about his history.luminier wrote: I know that there are people who are bad and who are successful in their badness without people knowing about it. Naga was a bloody perfect example! The others I obviously won't say because they would hurt me IRL for blowing their cover.
If you can not say their names, it does not contribute to your argument of going evil secretly. There is no new information. Noone can either understand or believe you (or discuss/oppose it, which is what the forum is for..).
The dumb thing is to cheat. The second dumbest thing is to not figure out the rules of the game before you start playing it. As for the question - I know that you know the answer.luminier wrote: Im not entirely sure I understood what Per said, but, if subterfuge is forbidden, thats dumb. How is it abuse of the code to pretend to worship one god while actually favoring another?
Is this "technique" something you employed previously/historically in other areas of the game or with other characters?